Posted by TVOR on October 01, 2004 at 08:45 [213.123.247.222]
In Reply to: Re: Wot Is Luv? posted by WingZ on October 01, 2004 at 07:46
1: Who carries the burden of proof here: should I prove love exists, or should you prove it doesn't? I can't prove it exists to you anymore than you can prove it to me that it doesn't. As an artist I have created several works of art that are inspired by very real (to me) feelings of love. I would happily send you them so you can make your own mind up whether (a) I'm deluded, (b) I'm cynically taking the piss, or (c) I genuinely stumbled across love. Email me if you want me to send you an example! But if you're not prepared to examine my attempt at bottling love in the form of art, fair enough though we'd have to call this round a stalemate. Likewise, if you have any comparable evidence to prove to me love doesn't exist, I'd have to examine it myself before disagreeing with you. So I suggest on this point we agree to disagree (though feel free to disagree to disagree if you prefer!)
2: I kinda agree with you actually on this one. But tolerance is a big part of love, one of the major parts actually. You tolerate someone mainly cos you love them, and that's why when you fall out of love you stop tolerating all those niggly things that start to wind you up.
3: "Here, you equate love to stupidity." No I don't. I don't think sticking at something through a difficult patch is remotely stupid. I think it's eminently sensible. What on earth is stupid about determination to succeed, perserverance and effort?! Also: "(as emotions are never rational)" - come on, you were doing well up to that point, now you've just come out with a real howler, like me saying Romeo and Juliet were real people lol;-) Of course emotions are 100% rational, as rational as the laws of physics! Not all humans can control or understand their emotions but not all humans can understand physics. If someone insults me then I feel sad or angry. If someone gives me money I feel happy. That's as rational as the laws of gravity! Cause and effect. I do agree that love isn't an emotional impulse itself though, but it has a major effect on emotions.
4: Yes I have fucked women who didn't love me and it was a waste of time. I promised myself never again. One in particular didn't give a damn about pleasing me, or turning me on. All she cared about was having six inches (erm, I mean twelve inches ahem) of dick inside her for a few minutes before going off and getting drunk. I thought to myself: "what a waste of time! I shoulda just stayed here on my own, I could have been writhing around in ecstasy for about three hours, climaxing six or more times in the course of an evening." Show me a girl who can take me to the extremes I can take myself to sexually, and I'll show you a girl who loves me! She'd HAVE to love me to let me do some of the things I like doing lol!!!
5: Well that's my definition, love is a frequency, and I'm sticking to it. I don't see why it's ridiculous...check out the lyrics to "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" and you'll get a glimpse of where I'm coming from.
6: I thought you said love doesn't exist. Now you're saying it does exist but has nothing to do with self-respect. I think it has everything to do with respect, for yourself or for other people. Respect, like tolerance, is a subset of the all-embracing term LOVE!
7: Well, what else apart from friendship or love would I want from a woman? Name me ONE thing of importance a woman could offer me apart from friendship or love! Or are you interested in women for other things - eg their money, their pussies or their cooking/cleaning? What is so twisted about saying "I want to meet a woman who I can love and who can love me?" That is a perfectly normal and healthy attitude, isn't it?
A pleasure to argue with ya sir!
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